Correction: “Believing Jesus will make you a better Jew”

(Obvious, but necessary)

Well, that’s what we’re here for: communicating true teshuvah, and not anti-rabbinic rhetoric.

Gentile:

Sorry to see you go. I dont want to see Israel beat up on. I have to give him credit that of all the MJ leaders I have seen he is the most supportive of leaving Jews within MJ to live a proper Jewish lifestyle.

In case you are not aware of it, this is a major problem within MJ as a whole. Most MJ “rabbis” draw unwary Jews into MJ with the promise that “believing Jewish will make you a better Jew, draw a false distinction between themselves and “Hebrew Christian Movements” and then as part of the “discipleship process” require those Jews to “submit” to the “leaderships” view of Judaism.

This view more often than not is extremely anti rabbinic and is ill informed. By It is interesting to note that Kenneth and Gloria Copeland regularly teach from Art Scroll. They even have positive things to say about the oral tradition.

It appears to me that they are a step ahead of most of MJ leadership at this point in time.

Dan Juster preaches discipleship as well. Has his organization led to more Torah observance? No. Dicipleship in Tikkkun appears to me to be submission to the teaching of submitted teaching elders and participation in their communities.

A noble and old Christian concept. And one with much to recommend it for Christian spirituality when supervised by competant communities of faith with long standing moral traditions. ( A matter for Christians to consider when they look at MJ communities of faith)

However has it led to an increase in Jewish practice? I think the evidence is pretty clear that it has not.

God did give Israel
A Certificate Of Divorce. - Jer.3:8 & 14

- And when shall it come to pass
for Israel to say, ‘N0 More’:
“The Ark Of The Covenant Of The Lord”?

So It will not come to mind?
For Israel to remember It N0 More?
Nor to Visit It.
For It, not to be made anymore?

* Or, to this very day,
does Israel search for It?
Does Israel prepare for It?
To build a Temple for It?
Or, make It again, to Visit? *

- For Jerusalem to be called
“The Throne of The Lord”?

Israel will have to walk no more in the stubborness of their evil heart.
But, return as backslidden children.
Then they shall call Him Father.

Not turning away from Him-surely as a Wife Treacherously departs from her Husband.
For Israel has dealt treacheroiusly with Him.
Jer.3

Um, it appears to me the translators you refer, do actually notice it:

his head is uncovered
hair of his head shall go loose
and his head bare

No one is talking about shaving one’s hair as you assert. These all clearly show that the translators understood the context and Hebrew to indicate that someone afflicted with tzaraat (it’s a common misunderstanding to believe it’s leprosy) was required to remove their head covering, so that their hair would be loose, and thus be bared. “Para” does mean to let loose, as in to let loose from a restraint, and “paroah” does mean to uncover. Taken together, the idea is still communicated very clearly: what existed prior to the loosing of the hair, baring one’s head, being uncovered, is one whose hair was kept, unbared, covered.

This isn’t difficult. Perhaps accepting a fence, for you, is. Perhaps it should be communicated to you that one does this as an act of love of God, clearly taught in the Torah - and that by not doing this, you deprive yourself of the opportunity to love God in this very special way, loving others as well who would ask you questions otherwise, as well as depriving yourself of the very blessing which too would come as a result of your obedience to the Torah’s instruction on this matter, no matter how minute.

But since you don’t see the Torah and its instructions as God’s perfect standard of right living for a believer, then you have bigger issues in your relationship with God and others, than simply wearing a head covering. If you truly want to love God as He desires, and love others as He desires, and choose not to follow your own way but His, then come learn the Torah and learn to keep and do it as He himself modeled it for us and showed us how. If you really want to be a disciple, and totally give your all to Him, then start with something as simple as keeping kosher - and view that as the act of worship of God that it truly is. Give up Christmas, Easter, and Halloween, and all other manner of eating at the table of demons, and worshiping God in the ways of the pagans - and embrace God’s holidays, and God’s ways of worship. Return to the Sabbath day (the same 7th day Sabbath celebrated as such since Messiah’s days and well before) as a day one is commanded to not only keep, but to also remember, serve/do, not profane, holy/glory/weight, pleasure/enjoy, and holy/sanctify the Sabbath! Learn to read the Torah and recognize that the New Covenant is from Gen 3:15 onwards - and read Jeremiah and realize that “gentiles” have no share in the New Covenant as gentiles - which means if you are a believer from the nations, and claim to have a part of the New Covenant, that you are no longer a gentile but now part of Israel. So go and live, do, serve, honor, keep, and love God’s instruction manual in how to love God and others perfectly: the Torah, the Living Torah, the Messiah who lives in and through you - and recognize that you are now His with a responsibility to love His own in the same way.

Shalom

Thanks for the Hebrew lesson anyway. But why is it that non of these translators noticed this? Stupid Goyim again, I guess.

Check this: you all became off, discussing this Corinthian stuff. Let’s return to Lev 13:45. Israel ben Betzalel has removed this verse out of context. Let’s read the entire chapter. Verses 1-44 deal with the symptoms of different kinds of leprosy and how the priest can recognise them. Verses 45-46 specify how the leper shall behave AFTER the priest has deemed he’s a leper. These 2 verses are no more about the encounter of the priest and the leper, they are about the behaviour of an official leper.

Let’s read Lev 13:45 again, this time no more out of context.

“As to the leper in whom is the plague, his garments are rent, and his head is uncovered, and he covereth over the upper lip, and `Unclean! unclean!’ he calleth;” Young’s Literal Version

“And the leper in whom the plague is, his clothes shall be rent, and the hair of his head shall go loose, and he shall cover his upper lip, and shall cry, Unclean, unclean.” American Standard Version

“And the leper in whom the plague is, his clothes shall be rent, and his head bare, and he shall put a covering upon his upper lip, and shall cry, Unclean, unclean.” Webster’s Bible

As you can see there is some confusion among translators whether his head shall be just uncovered or shaved as well. But one thing is very clear: This verse does not refer to an action of uncovering. It refers to a state of not being covered (hair or other covering). Therefore it does not assume a previous head covering.

Nuff said.

Let’s reframe it in a different viewpoint. It should be noted that Abraham wasn’t perfect, either. Just because someone sins, doesn’t mean God condoned it, or that we should imitate it. However, I like to give Abraham the benefit of the doubt that he did not sin, and that he was keeping the Torah, even the Torah’s prohibition on marrying the daughter of your father. Regardless of who says what, our only concern should be with truth, even if it comes from the Catholics, even if it comes from the rabbis. Who says what shouldn’t matter, and I don’t know why you seem to think I think it does. The point is, the evidence is that he married his brother’s widow (most likely in my estimation), or that he married his cousin - or that he really did marry his blood-relative half-sister and sinned. Does the bible require that such a marriage be dissolved? No. Thus why would God make a point about it? Look at Jacob, just because he married two women, and their servant girls, does that mean that God is teaching that model as the standard for marriage? Must men marry four women in order to be as righteous as Jacob? No my friend, there is a reasonable and logical argumentation that must include all relevant facts to a case - and in regards to the Torah, all things in the Torah are connected to other parts of the Torah so that it is taken as one whole and complete book with one intent: “In the beginning” (the first word of the Torah) through to “all Israel” (the last word of the Torah).

The literal translation of v’ben ha baqar is “and son the cow” which “and son” is simply translated as “he” in most English translations.

Keep in mind, the whole reason we keep Torah as believers in Yeshua, is because we love God and others - and there is only one definition for love: the Torah as Yeshua modeled it for us. So then, I encourage you, as one who desires to love God, to realize that you can love God even more - and that definition of love is throughout the Torah you say is for “Israel only.” So then, God allows Israel to love him more? Perhaps. If so, then why don’t you want to join Israel and thus be able to love God more?